"Jamhooria
Islamia", a monthly Baluchi magazine published from Panj-gar, published an
interview with Maulana Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan, a confidant of and adviser to
the Amir of leading Pakistani Islamic party, Jamaat-e-Islami, Maulana Qazi
Ahmed, which was conducted by Jalil Amir. The following constitutes are
excerpts from that conversation which reveals the fundamentalist ideology and
designs of the organisation and its leader.
EQUALITY OF MEN AND WOMEN IS STUPIDITY Q: The women
issue is very controversial nowadays. Taliban and some fundamentalist
organizations restrict the freedom of women while some progressive Muslim
intellectuals are insisting that the women are equal to men in all spheres.
What are Qazi's views on women?
A: As I said earlier, the Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) views on women are
the exact views of Qazi Ahmed and the Jamat. Equality of men and women is
stupidity. What men can do, women cannot do. Women are weak physically and
mentally compared to men. Men have to take care of women all the time. WOMEN MUST STAY HOME
Women should not have a life
outside the family. Education can be provided to them, but not to compete with
men in public. NO VOTING
RIGHTS FOR WOMEN UNDER SHARIA
Qazi had said once that when JI
comes to power in Pakistan, he will abolish the voting rights of women and
minorities. Only the Muslim men can participate in voting or standing for
elections. When I asked the proof from Hadiths, he had quoted many Hadiths in
support of that. I asked him why is it that it is never talked about openly in
the public by the Jamaat? Qazi had said that the hints are all over the place.
But JI did not make it a big issue since the women who currently have the
voting rights may vote against JI in the elections if such a thing is said
openly. NON MUSLIMS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES
MUST PAY JIZYA
Q: That brings us to the question of minorities. Will they have to pay
Jizya tax?
A: Yes. They have to pay the tax.
As explained by Qazi Ahmed , the idea of Jizya is not protection money. But it
is a monetary force on the non-Muslim to convert to Islam. Once the Jamaat
comes to power, the minorities will be induced (forced) to become Muslims
either by monetary or psychological factors.
ALL INDIAN HINDUS WILL BE
CONVERTED INTO ISLAM JI is already equating India with Hindus so that the
Hindus of Pakistan will be forced to become Muslims. This was a very successful
strategy during the Babri Masjid riots. JI was actively involved in destroying
the Hindu temples in Punjab and Sindh. We ordered the destruction of the Hindu
family property too. But our main aim was to destroy the Hindu temples. We
wrote in the JI pamphlets that destroying each pagan temple makes a Muslim move
closer to the heaven of Allah. We used the Hadiths in all the pamphlets. Babar
destroyed the Ram temple in Ayodhya because he was a true believer. The same
way, every Muslim should take it upon himself to destroy the Hindu temples in
Pakistan. O! ur idea was to encourage the Muslims of India also to destroy the
Hindu temples in India. But this was not met with much success since the Hindu
police in India started attacking the Muslims who were doing Allah's duty. Q:
What kind of government does JI envisage for Pakistan? A: It will be the Sharia
government. Sharia will be made our constitution so that the eminent Muslim
scholars who had completed the schooling in Madrasas will be appointed as the
Judges in every court. Qazi wanted to make the presidium on the same model as
the Khalifa. Presently our idea is that the entire top leadership of JI as well
as all three military Generals will be part of the presidium for which the Qazi
will be the Khalifa. OUR MOTTO IS
CONSTANT JIHAD
Our motto is "Constant
Jihad". The idea is to keep Pakistan in a constant state of Jihad all the
time. Qazi's vision is that Pakistan will be! the centre of the new Islamic
Empire that stretches from Burma to Afghanistan and from Srilanka to Tajikistan
including Kashmir
Towards that end, the Jamaat will
use all tactics from terrorism in the kafir-controlled areas to negotiations in
the Muslim controlled areas. Already the Jamaat leaders of Bangladesh and
Jamaat leaders of India have accepted the primacy of Pakistani leadership in
this regard. SRI
LANKA AND BURMA WILL BE PRESSURIZED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM Q: What about Srilanka and Burma? A: Both are Buddhist nations. For
that matter even Baluchistan and Afghanistan were Buddhist once while Sindh and
Punjab were Hindu earlier. Buddhists are generally weaker in matters of faith.
Hence we hope they will become Muslim with a little pressure. But that will
happen only after Jamaat conquers first Pakistan and then India. Q: What are the plans for India? It looks
like the entire India policy of the Jamaat revolves around Kashmir. A: Yes that is true. But that is for a very
good reason. See Kashmir is like a keystone that sits on top of the arch. It is
true that the arch holds the entire weight of the keystone. But if you remove
the keystone, then the whole arch falls down. That is why it is called the
keystone. Kashmir is the keystone for India. Once you remove that, then India
can no longer be secular and it will not be a united country either. Once
Kashmir is taken out, these militancy movements will break India by asking the
similar freedom for Nagaland, Kerala, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Manipur, Assam,
Jharkand, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal and Khalistan.
INDIA WILL BE MADE A 100% MUSLIM
NATION Q: Coming back to the same point,
if India was to become many countries, how do you deal with the individual
Hindu States? They may even become big enemies of Pakistan. Or they may again
re-group to challenge Pakistan. A: Given
the differences between the nationalities in India, the options for Pakistan
are endless. Qazi's vision is to make the entire India a 100% Muslim Nation. A
United India, where Hindus are majority is an impediment to that. Like Prophet
Mohammad (PBUH) made Muslims out of pagans of Arabia, Qazi also wants to make
Muslims out of the pagans of India. Q:
This is a great vision since this was not even possible for the Muslim dynasties
and Moguls who ruled India for the last 700 years. A: True. That is because
they had never really established the Muslim Empire. Though the Kings were
Muslims, they had entertained the Hindus in positions of power. When you make
an unequivocal statement that only Muslims are voters and declare that India is
an Islamic Republic, then automatically the people will become Muslims. Little
bit of terror had to be applied to the heart of Hindus and Christians. I will
give you a best example. The portions which now constitute Pakistan had 25%
Hindu population before Independence.
TERRORIZATION IS THE BEST
CONVERSION TOOL After Independence, a
lot of Hindus migrated to India. Yet after the migration, the Pakistani Hindu
population was 15%. Do you know what is the percentage now? It is less than 1%.
How was this made possible? How did the Hindus convert to Islam in a short span
of 20 years whereas for 700 years they had never converted to Islam? That is
purely because of the terror of the Partition. TERROR FORCED HINDUS TO CONVERT
TO ISLAM IN PAKISTAN That terror forced
the Hindus who remained in Pakistan to become Muslims. Pure and simple. JI used
similar techniques in Punjab and Sindh. Each time a riot breaks out in India, we
had used that pretext to strike terror among the Hindus, Christians and
Ahmaddiahs. The similar terror will be at the heart of every non-Muslim, both
Hindu as well as Christian, in the coming years in the entire of India.
PRPOHET SUCCEEDED WITH TERROR SO CAN WE
Qazi is an analytical genius who knows every strategy that was used by
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and which will be and should be used in India to
achieve the total submission to Allah.
Q: Do you envision a possibility
that when Kashmir becomes part of Pakistan, there could be large-scale riots in
India against Indian Muslims? Hence unwittingly Kashmir could lead to more
deaths of Indian Muslims and damage Islamic Ummah. ANY MUSLIM ASSOCIATING WITH A
POLYTHEIST BECOMES A POLYTHEIST A:
Yes that is a possibility. But our ideology is based on Quran and Hadish.
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in numerous Hadiths and Allah in Quran had said that
any Muslim who associates with a polytheist is a polytheist. Muslims cannot be
friendly with a non-Muslim. This includes the Christians, Jews and Hindus. Also
Mohammad (PBUH) says that even if the Muslim ruler is not good, the Muslims
stay with the ruler rather than go out to a non-Muslim country. Hadiths and
Quran are very explicit regarding this. All the Muslims who did not migrate to
Pakistan during Partition are in essence Hindus. They may think that they are
Muslims. But not before Allah. They are
as self-deluded as the Ahmaddiahs who think they are Muslims when everyone
knows that they are not Muslims. Hence the Muslims of India who had decided to
stay in India during Partition are not Muslims and their progeny are not Muslim
(since they did not migrate to Muslim lands).
Another thing that I noticed in my journeys in India is that the Hindu
farmers generally offer their entire harvest to their gods at the end of their
harvesting season. This makes the entire crop as haram for Muslims. Yet these
so-called Muslims of India are forced to eat this food which was already
offered to some other God other than Allah.
This is explicitly forbidden in Quran.
MUSLIMS GOING TO NON MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO SETTLE DOWN ARE KAFIRS And this is one of the serious problems of
living in non-Muslim countries. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) knew such things; that
is why he ordered Muslims not to live in non-Muslim areas. Yet knowingly these
so-called Muslims live in India. AGAIN ALL THE MUSLIMS WHO MIGRATE TO OTHER NON
MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND US ARE NON MUSLIMS . Only the Muslims who intend to come
back are Muslims not the ones who decide to stay in such countries. Hence we do
not care if such Indian Muslims die in the riots. But due to strategy reasons we do have excellent
relations with these Muslims. All the Muslims who work for Pakistan and for the
glory of Ummah are real Muslims. They are our front line troops in non-Muslim
countries. Hence we have to distribute the arms and ammunitions to these real
Muslims in case riots come to their door.
The Kashmiri Muslims are pure Muslims who are toiling under the yoke of
Hindu rule. They are victimized by the international conspiracy to keep them
under the Hindu rule. That issue is part of the incomplete Partition, whereas
the Indian Muslims have accepted Partition and stayed on in India
knowingly. JAMAT WILL BRING SLAVERY
BACK TO PAKISTAN Arabians own slaves.
Though Allah says that the slaves should be treated in a nice manner, he did
not advocate the abolition of slavery. If slavery is bad as considered in
today's world, Allah certainly would have said that slavery is wrong. Prophet
Mohammad (PBUH) also said that the slaves should be treated in a good manner
and the slaves should be released often. But if there is no slavery, how can
anyone release slaves? Hence the re-introduction of slavery in Pakistan is one
of the future plans of the Jamaat. ALL CAPTURED HINDUS WILL BE MADE SLAVES All the captured Hindu Indians and Srilankans
will be made slaves to work for Pakistani Muslims. Every God-abiding Pakistani
Muslim will get slaves once we conquer India. All the slaves who embrace Islam
will be set free. Slavery is Islamic. Jamaat is the only political party, which
does not voice any opposition to the slavery in Pakistan. We went around all
over Arabia. We were surprised to know that there are some Hindus in Yemen.
These ancient Yemeni Hindus are not Indians. In my opinion, these Hindus are
traders from India in the ancient times. I was also surprised to know that they
have a Shiva temple in Yemen. Qazi was very unhappy over this. When he talked
to the Yemen leaders, he broached this subject. But the Yemeni leaders refused
Qazi's suggestion of forced conversion of these people to Islam. I don't know
why they refused. I think it may be due to the large population of Hindus from
India who work in Yemen and Arabia. He disliked the current leadership of
Arabia for this reason. In his
opinion, Arabia should not allow any non-Muslim into the holy lands of Arabia.
Arabia should be 100% pure. A large number of Hindus in Arabia is corrupting
the Arabians. Though they live as contractors, they have the potential to
corrupt the minds of the Arabians.
HINDU TEMPLES POLLUTE MUSLIM LANDS
One such thing is the presence of Arabians in the Qatar Hindu temple.
First the king allowed the Hindus to build a temple and church in the holy
lands, thereby polluting the Holy Land. Second is that even a member of the
Royal family visited that temple to inaugurate that temple. To the horror of
Qazi, he had learnt that one of the powerful members of the Qatar Royal family
is a devotee of a god called Aayappan. This news resolved Qazi to fight the
force of the devil thousand fold. Q:
Such things happen in Pakistan today. I mean a friend of mine goes to a Hindu
temple. Another friend goes to church meetings.
A: Yes. One of Qazi's relatives wanted to become a Hindu. He did not
have a child for many years and it seems he had prayed to a Hindu God and got
the child. Hence he felt thankful to that god and wanted to become a Hindu.
Qazi got to know of this and called him and threatened him with dire
consequences. That relative did not become a Hindu. But that incident made Qazi
read more about apostasy. PUNISHMENT FOR
APOSTASY IS DEATH Quran and Hadith
clearly say the punishment for abandonment of Islam is death. Since Sharia is
not the law in Pakistan, and the current Pakistani Constitution grants the
right to change religion, it is legally correct to declare oneself as Hindu or
Christian. But once the JI takes over the government, it will make Sharia as
the Constitution. Then Pakistan will also legally execute any person who leaves
Islam and joins Ahmaddiah, Christianity or Hinduism the same way Iran and
Taliban treats its apostates. He also opined that the presence of the Hindu
temples in Pakistan is the root cause of the problem and hence we want to
destroy all the Hindu temples and Churches in Pakistan. Q: This brings us into another area. Right
now the Internet is becoming widespread. Even Saudi Arabia is connected with
the outside world. Destroying the temples may be good, but how can we insulate
the Pakistani and Muslim people against the corrupting knowledge totally? A: JI had taken a principled stand on the
matter of science and religion. Religion is far superior to science. ALL THE WORLD?S KNOWLEDGE IS IN
QURAN AND HADITHS Whatever man needs to
know is in the Quran and Hadiths. Knowing more will create problems like the
Atom bomb and Television. MUSIC TV AND
PHOTOGRAPHY ARE SATANIC AND HARAM Quran and Hadiths are explicit in denouncing
pictures. Yet the lure of Satan in the form of photography and television is
eating our lives. Music previously was
confined only to the vocal singing. Now science and technology made the music
widespread at a cheaper price. These are the lures of Satan. We have to be on
guard against these harami things.
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ARE BAD FOR CIVILIZATION Hence, more science and technology is bad
for the civilization. I had completed civil engineering. Hence I am privy to
scientific knowledge. I can tell you how corrupting that is. It even makes you
question the glorious Quran. EARTH IS
FLAT There are many Hadiths, which say that the earth is flat. But any science
will tell you the earth is a sphere. But you can use the same science like the
relativity theory to prove that the earth is flat. It is the same case with
evolution. But the point being that doubt is sown in the minds of the people on
the validity of the Quran as the word of God. More and more we work hard to
prove the Quran's scientific correctness, more and more people will get
apprehensive of the truth of the Quran. This is an abomination. WHEN ISLAM TALKS OF GET EDUCATED IT MEANS
QURANIC EDUCATION This is why when we
talk of education, we talk of religious education and not scientific
education. It is true that science grew
after the Prophet's revolution in Arabia. That was the start of science. Now
each and every science is filled with anti-god stuff. If you want to become a
doctor, you have to read evolution. If you have to read any engineering, you
have to believe in the billions of years old universe theory which effectively
says that human beings came to the world only just one or two million years
back. Q: But we still need the arms and
knowledge of the Western world, which believes in science. And again you had
referred to television as evil. If we abolish photography how can we have
passports or identification cards? A:
Yes. That is strategic. With the help of Allah, we will be given oil for them
to run their cars and we will have arms in that place. We will use their arms
to destroy them in the course of time.
PHOTOGRAPHY WILL BE BANNED UNDER JI
As far as photos are concerned, they will be banned as it was done in
Afghanistan under Taliban. If there is no need for people to go out of
Pakistan, where is the need for the passports? For those who have to travel to
other countries like the leaders of the revolution, they only will be given the
passport with photos. For that, we will allow limited photography licensed only
to the government. And the biggest corruption in today's Pakistan is Indian
satellite TV and Indian cinemas and Indian songs. We have to abolish these too. ARABIC WILL BE MADE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE
OF PAKISTAN Q: Currently we have a
lot of opposition from Mohajirs regarding reservations. What kind of
reservation policy will the JI will have in Pakistan? A: We approach that problem as the problem
of language. Urdu-speaking Muslims and Sindhi-speaking Muslims are fighting
now. We plan to abolish all the regional languages like Pashto, Sindhi,
Baluchi, Urdu, Punjabi and Brahvi. We want all the people of Pakistan to speak
Arabic which is our divine language. This will make everyone equal before
everyone else and there would not be any need for language or region based
reservations. We also hope that this will make the Quran and Hadiths easier to
understand and will make the people follow the Quran and Hadiths to the letter. Q: There could be language riots. One such
language riot resulted in Bangladesh.
A: Bangladesh was not a result of language riot. The very idea that they
are Muslims will bring the Bangladeshis to Arabic. We already fund heavily the
Arabic language courses all over India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. From Morocco
to Iraq speaks in Arabic, I don't see any reason why from Morocco to Burma we
will not bring Arabic to the people. Even Bangladesh will start speaking in
Arabic. That time there won't be any Bangladesh where the country name itself
has the name of the language. Yes. Right now our aim is just for reunification
without touching on the language issue of Bengali. JI of Bangladesh is working
towards this aim. Q: The secular journalists
of Pakistan oppose the JI. For example the Dawn and News are very critical of
the JI. How do you see their role in the future? A: Ardheshir Cowasjee is able to work only
because of the present Constitution of Pakistan. When Sharia becomes the Constitution,
he cannot even approach the court, as he is a kafir. We see secular journalists
as our main enemy in the current struggle to reach power. These secular
journalists are digging our statements we made during the pre-Independence days
and trying to beat us. Of course we opposed the creation of Pakistan during the
British times. But that was a different Jamaat. Our history starts with
Independence. SECULARS ARE KAFIRS Secular journalists are not Muslims even
though some of them are carrying Muslim names. Let them come to us and let us
ask questions on the Quran and Hadiths. We will prove each and every thing we
say is from Quran and Hadiths. Let them prove what we say as wrong from the
Quranic angle. Then we will accept them. But they cannot. They cannot match us
in any debate concerning the Quran and Hadiths. We can comprehensively prove
that they are indeed non-Muslims.! They are like Quadianis who say that the
Muslim need not take up Jihad as an obligation. That is pure nonsense.
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